Episode 80: Tips on Presenting LIVE (from Story Camp)

Molly Geoghegan 00:21

And we're live. Hello and welcome pres thinkers. Is anyone joining I shouldn't say little thing. I don't know. We're alive on Instagram right now. And yeah, welcome to presentation thinking the podcast where we are thinking about presentation and talking about them. And we're in the corner of a Embassy Suites, Hotel Hilton in Boulder, Colorado. And we're in person together and some of the rancheros myself, Molly, the content Community Manager for presentation thinking we've got and well who are you? Amazing. Nice. This is all sounding really good. You guys, for sure. So since we're in person, we're never in person. We're like, Let's go live and see what happened. And we have something very important to talk about today. We're at story camp. We've done episodes on story camp. Everyone, you know, hopefully goes public sometime where it's available for people to come join us, hopefully, one day, but we brought in a really special speaker Carrie Forman, who wrote the five Deadly Sins of presenting creative work, and he gave his amazing workshop to us yesterday. And today, part two of story camp has been having the rancheros. If you aren't familiar, ghost ranch communications is a presentation design agency. And we work with PowerPoint, we work with keynote presenters who do a lot of presentation work, but not often that we find ourselves on the other side of the microphone or the stage rather and present from our own perspective like present from the stage. So I brought in Asha ally and Kelsey today because we all and myself, we all presented on various topics today and got feedback from expert Carrie. And so I want to first talk about who was Carrie what we took away from his workshop, the five deadly sins, what is it and then we can talk about like our experience presenting today as non presenters traditionally so

Allie Wilson 02:15

so we were introduced to carry not drill we have there's another creative director on our team Jeff Thomas, who the big carry fan and told about it it was an interesting idea for us because like Molly said, we're creating presentations for other people to give but we're not necessarily in front of people presenting we're you know, on Zoom presenting, but in front of a group of people that's very new. So we're excited about this is just like another way to like grow our presentation thinking muscle stronger, but it's also a really great way for us to have more empathy for our clients. So love the idea of having Carrie calm. He's a 30 years in the field of being a creative director copywriter. Really, really smart dude. Yeah, his book is awesome. So this book, he was telling us that the first cut of this book was 450 pages, it was something insane Oh, yeah. He kind of just like put all of his wisdom in one place and then took the time to cut it down to something that was really straight to the point really easy to understand, easy to read, and it's just the best tips you can probably get for presenting in person.

Molly Geoghegan 03:19

Yeah, okay. And I yeah, I had never heard of Carrie up until this workshop always learning about new presenters and people to learn from with story camp ghost ranch and presentation thinking project. But he really practice what he preaches. Like these five tips that he really gives, it tells you to avoid the five sins, right? He talks about his experience, both committing them and then also being like, look how I just avoided that right as he's going through his workshop. So I loved how just like self aware and funny he was integrating humor. Asha Kelsey, you want to share like, what's his. We can list it out here. But I think his first one is called flirting is the first sin. What is flirting? Let's turn to the page first.

Asha Alaji-Sharif 04:02

Yeah, so blurting is when you're blurting yeah blurting out the word vomit, yeah, word vomit in your presentation, likely because you're unprepared. Very big on being prepared. Yeah, and giving your presentation so you can have a more streamlined and concise waves. Right.

Molly Geoghegan 04:18

And of course, as Carrie said, when you're more familiar with the content that you're giving, you are going to be you're going to feel more prepared, you're gonna feel more confident, and you're going to be able to not just like, be like, these are all the facts I have to share right now. Oh my god, and that's flirting for sure. What's the next one? I have them pulled up over here as well. And whispering that is you know, if you're not close to the mic, or like, projecting yourself like you're in front of people, you need to actually project and take the stage take up your like, you know, a little manspreading you know, get yourself out there and let the people know that you need to pay attention to them. So he talks when

Kelsey Jones 04:59

but that it holds a bunch of mini since there's a lot to pay attention to that comes at whispery, and the importance of just having stage presence. Yeah,

Allie Wilson 05:08

totally, which was kind of a weird one for us to be talking about it. That goes straight to be present virtually all the time. So it was kind of weird when we were presenting in front of folks, I don't think any of us had, like, probably the level of awareness of like, how long do I need to be? When you're five a computer? It's

Molly Geoghegan 05:24

like, yeah, I was like, stop yelling, you know, microphones blowing out. Yeah, I think I'm a pretty loud person. And so the feedback we've gotten from our podcast editors that I usually have to turn my volume down, and like he has to turn his up, which is funny. But it also could just be the settings. Sin number three is something that I definitely struggle with, because I am talkative. And I find it hard to maybe even start a sentence not exactly knowing where it's going to end. And it's called wanderlust, which is where the presenter is. And I'm, we've all been in presentations where there's like, you can tell the person, here's this one idea that I've started, and I'm coming back this direction, though, and it's like twists and turns, and nothing's truly focused. And I really resonated with that one, as far as I think that's one of the biggest sins that I commit. And I have to repent. What do you think?

Kelsey Jones 06:12

Yeah, I think it's one of the hardest things to catch that you're doing in the middle of a presentation, because you're just rambling. And you can't unless you make eye contact with someone that maybe gives you a cue to say, hey, yeah, you shore it up, stop and make it to the point, it's a little bit harder to notice until you're you present. That makes total sense. Yeah.

Allie Wilson 06:33

Yeah. How much carry with pushing being prepared? I feel like it's really easy to wander around and talk aimlessly. When you're not like good, that preparation makes you more concise, because you just know exactly what you want to say. Yep. Plan to 100%. Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan 06:48

So number four, as we're going through, outlining these five deadly sins, in presenting creative work is telepathy. And this is when either you don't know your audience, right? And you're like, absolutely just guessing, or assuming they have the same knowledge as you. And that is not the case. If you've listened to the podcast at all you need to know your audience and that you have to really construct your message with audience first messaging, and knowing what their interests are, what their problems are, and addressing those first, you are not the hero, they are the hero, you're the helper. And I think that telepathy piece is really important as far as you need to read the audience's mind know and be aware of what they care about without also assuming they know the same things you know about

Allie Wilson 07:34

it. Even if you didn't get the most obvious thing in the world. Might not be

Molly Geoghegan 07:37

Yeah, totally. Yeah. Oh, she's got it here. Show everybody. This is the best. The best icon number five. The helmet. Yeah. Tell me Tell us what

Asha Alaji-Sharif 07:47

it is being able to basically I guess, like fight the good fight. Yeah. Like defending your work defending yourself. And yeah, being able to stand up for yourself against the question. People asking?

Molly Geoghegan 07:56

Yes. Impalement the iconography here is that sword through the school. And I know Carrie said like, from a creative POV, right? Creatives really care about their work, and they want it to shine through. So when you really care about something, it's hard to let go of some ideas. So he said the words like when you fall on your sword, probably unnecessarily so like you're holding on so tight, you're gripping this something where it's like it could almost be strangled, right, where in reality, you're probably you should be making collaborative work with someone, your team with your client, and you need to be able to, like, let some things go. Ali, I know you've been a designer for over a decade, or more now, I don't know. And like, Have you ever felt like you've impaled yourself in a reservation in a presentation?

Allie Wilson 08:45

I don't know if I've done it because I like most of my history of presenting has been with go strange. And we have such a, like, our approach is to be so ego free that I have I'm not necessarily super defensive person when it comes to that work. But I do have experiences as a designer for like, showing design work I had done to like an art director, where I wish I could like turn red when I think about it actually got kind of

Molly Geoghegan 09:12

Yeah, right. It's a troublemaking behavior, I guess. Yeah,

Allie Wilson 09:15

I very much. So felt like what I had done was really great and right. My art director was wrong. Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan 09:23

Yeah. That's hard. wasn't great. What about you, Asha? Have you ever impaled yourself? As a creative?

Asha Alaji-Sharif 09:29

I have a hard time sometimes I guess, explaining my work. And in college a lot. I had a professor that was like, super tough. And he just like, he would ask like, really hard questions. And I'd always say really stupid responses because I like didn't take the time to think about it. Once I read the answer,

Molly Geoghegan 09:46

and in pre emptive q&a,

09:50

we both did it in Are You? Me? Yeah. matured? I don't maybe

Molly Geoghegan 09:54

Kelsey with accounts background right. Yeah, you have worked with Nike. Can I say that? Adidas. I just do it totally. It does. And you've worked with a lot of creatives, I'm sure. Did you ever see that in a meeting where it went wrong for you? Or like the other team doing it, you were like, Oh, I

Kelsey Jones 10:13

could definitely be on the count side, you know, I'm looking at the t shirt, making sure we don't lose that business. And also making sure that the work that we're producing is winning business, too. And there were definitely times where I saw a creative director and they were, they would push it. And I'm like, it's not worth the effort. Like, let's just go with the client ones. Yep. And that's what they want. That's how we're going to move forward. And it's okay to let your idea die. Yeah, maybe it can come around. And totally, yeah, Kilimanjaro when

Molly Geoghegan 10:41

someone hurts, I understand. Yeah, and we've talked about that on the podcast. I know it was a advice in Pixar is 22 rules of storytelling. Like Kill Your Darlings like design with the delete button. Lindsay always says that, I don't know if she made it up. Or if it's someone else's phrase, but that's really important. And it's important to like, let ideas go. So new ideas can grow. You know, when you're pruning the garden, you have to pick leaves off, whatever. So good. That was like a apt metaphor, maybe. Okay, so five deadly sins from carry that blurting add whispering, wonder loss, telepathy, and impalement. And these were such fun outlines. And he did a great workshop yesterday, and today, all of us presented on different things. How did it feel presenting to both our colleagues and Carrie, and taking those five sins into account? When we're just also kind of having a fun story camp vacation, and we didn't, we didn't prepare probably as much as I think Kerry would have, or you know, the professional. If we were up on the keynote stage. I know, we all would have been like cramming and studying, and maybe a few less stayed out. Few less margaritas last night. Yeah. But I think that also was fun to give yourself the chance to like, just naturally let it be raw, make some mistakes and get feedback. So how did it feel for you, Kelsey?

Kelsey Jones 11:56

The biggest takeaway for me was, we are a we're presenting behind a computer screen. It's completely different when you get up. Oh, totally. Yeah, it's people you know, or you don't. And that's the hardest part. And the way you move through your deck changes to it, because it's important to bring more emotion into your presentation. Like, yeah, you need to captivate your audience. And it's a little easier to hide when you're on Zoom versus in person. Yeah, so that was a big takeaway for me today. Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan 12:27

100% cannot be emphasized enough that goes straight to communications is a remote based agency. None of us work in person on a daily basis, we get together maybe two times a year. So this is a big deal. And B, we're never presenting in person. So what a great opportunity and a terrifying moment to bring that to life. Yeah. So how did it feel for you?

Asha Alaji-Sharif 12:48

Very anxious. I'm an anxious person naturally. And it's funny because a lot of people say like, they don't see. And people wouldn't assume that because I grew up doing musical theater. But I feel like what was so different about that is that I was playing a character. So like, stage fright. Doing musical theater was never a thing for me. Yeah. But if I have to get up and speak it myself, like, yeah,

Molly Geoghegan 13:08

I relate to that for sure. Because I also was a theater kid, as I've said many times on the podcast, and having the script is so much different than like doing something where like, I mean, I suppose you can come up with a talk track and you have like things to provide but it's different than like, this is someone else's words and these are the emotions and the feelings I'm conveying. Versus like this is me Molly on the stage and that's like way scarier than murder. Because then I'm like, trying to I'm like, am I being overly clever witty, etc. Can you share a little bit what your we could do other presentations on anything and Asha had a very good occasion with roaches

Asha Alaji-Sharif 13:41

so I broke down a twist episodes and that's most of I guess how I prison hint on it. And what's twist this week in storytelling, you follow us on price thinking data, Instagram, Tik

Molly Geoghegan 13:52

Tok Story series people come on.

Asha Alaji-Sharif 13:56

And I did it on the breakdown of the better with Pepsi ad. Yeah. All right. So

Molly Geoghegan 14:01

but your opening was very fun. And I've been plugging this because you have such a good hook and we love talking about hooks, but actually set it up as like I'm here to settle a great debate you know, and has red and blue as a split slide. And it's like you may have like gotten into fights over your with your family of this like this is an American American issue across the nation, blah, blah, blah. So we're all you know, it's kind of sets up like making people think it's gonna be a political chat. Yeah. And then comes up with a Coca Cola with the red and Pepsi with no right so it's a nice intro and a twist leading into your topic with a really funny gag, like setting people up thinking you were going to talk about one thing and you talked about something different. So that was really fired up to create a little tension. Yeah, yeah. And you can learn more, the better with Pepsi twist episode. You were all paying attention. Like she's about to bring in politics. Colleagues, one of the one of the first Deadly Sins of conversation killers. Are your colleagues and ally. Oh, how did you how did you find it presenting today?

Allie Wilson 15:00

Just saying, Hi, I do not have the theater background. And I do not necessarily like public speaking, I'm very comfortable on Zoom. Speaking in front of a group of people, you feel so vulnerable. It's tough to put yourself in that position and major empathy builder for the people that we work with, especially like events when they're getting up on stage in front of 1000s of people. Oh, yeah, totally. So so that was tough. My, my big takeaway got some really great feedback from the group. I was, you know, love. Content that I was presenting is like, just back to back to its roots, like opening ghost ranch sort of stuff. So it's like stuff I know really, really well. Yeah. But because of that anxiety and fear of speaking in front of people, I write out I talk track word for word, conversational, what I would like to say out loud, so that's what I was doing, to feel more comfortable. But I would take a break from that and start speaking naturally. And apparently, that's when I was most engaging. And so that was a really great learning for me. And Carrie, you talked about that a lot yesterday, being true to yourself, not trying to be like a different presenter or a different person. But yeah, he really true to your personality and letting them

Molly Geoghegan 16:12

Yeah, guide you. Yeah, totally. And you know, I said this in your feedback, you're giving kind of not a discovery call go strange. But sharing what, how we came to be, I guess, kind of the sailor. Yeah. So you've been part of that story, and you know it really well. And so to allow yourself to, like, be free of the script, and just share as normal is a hard thing to do. But I know, you know it and you sound like best when you do that. And I feel that I would never do in my talk Jack, I have it verbatim. And then I end up deleting some of it where I have like maybe the first few words of what I'm gonna say, and start for me at least I think it's different for everybody, but so that I don't read all of it, but I was like, oh, yeah, that's the point I'm making. And I'm gonna just, I'm gonna wing it from there. But I like see, I know, I know what I'm going to say. Right? So it's not just like the verbatim thing. Because like, if I have the crutch, I will lean on it. And I definitely did that in mind, too, for sure. Especially because, as we said, we had some margaritas last night. So yeah, one of

Kelsey Jones 17:11

the great band that I carry gave to all of us was, how we can relate to our audience, and how they can get to know us on a more personal level from the beginning. It can be relatable, that makes them more comfortable during the presentation. They want to work with them. Yeah, that's going to make the relationship Yes. Yeah. And even if you don't nail the presentation, if they can see your personality total and get to know you, then they'll enjoy working with Yeah, and that was huge. Yeah,

Molly Geoghegan 17:38

I'm healthy just nailed that. You had like a hard deck, because it's like this accounts like here's the prices of our services like, yikes, that's scary. But we've had you on the podcast before and I know your walk up song is I have the tiger and she had that played on her phone as she walked up to the little our little fake little stage here and Embassy Suites Hilton sponsor. Give us free a free room blog. And I thought that was really fun said we, you know, like no one like are comfortable with each other. But I thought that was a fun way to just like, here I am coming up sharing your personality, for sure. Yeah. What did you guys find? Do you think there's a deadly sin that you resonated with the most today? Or you were like, Oh, I didn't even thought think of that yesterday. And now I'm thought about it, bringing it into your presentation today.

Asha Alaji-Sharif 18:25

Probably wanderlust from, like my brain the entire time was old. And the way I set it up, I accidentally didn't have for the interview. But I was like, Oh, it's too late. Oh, so I didn't have the notes to just like, keep my mind kind of focus. That's my brain was

Molly Geoghegan 18:40

a test. Yeah, that's a good test. Well, it didn't seem like, you know. That was amazing. Knowing that you didn't have notes, I definitely was like, I need this crutch. Even if I'm not going to look at it. I need to know that it's there. Yeah. So your honor my note and I was just like, Yeah, I know. Totally. That's

Kelsey Jones 19:02

awesome. But the central theme across that is preparedness. And apparently, you know, like, that's what he kept saying. I think we all know that. But do we have the time to do it always know. Yeah. Do we want to make the time to do it? No. Yeah,

Molly Geoghegan 19:16

I think it comes down to that. Yeah, definitely. And you with that simple message of like Coke versus Pepsi and going into the Pepsi thing. It was like, this isn't overly complicated. So maybe it was good to just be like, This is it I don't need to be it's not needed to study that necessarily. But you were like, I know this. I've looked at the ads. Better with FC. I host a podcast and so I feel like my talkativeness outweighs what I'm trying to say sometimes either in repetition or starting three ideas and only finishing one or something so I and I don't know exactly how that came across in my presentation, but that's something I definitely work around and with is the Wanderlust one for sure. I don't think I have an issue being quiet. I think I can project pretty okay. But I definitely was fast. And once I got into my flow, I felt a little more like, okay, like those harder slides were out of the way. But it was fun. It was fun to like, practice. Sure. Would you do it again? If given the opportunity practicing for carry? Yes, I almost feel like we need the repetition just like to do it again.

Kelsey Jones 20:15

Thinking back like the last time I presented in front of a group was before COVID It totally Yeah, bleep 2019. Yeah. That's so long ago. I'm trying to grow. I think they're up in front of someone. Yeah, she's fronted. Yeah,

Molly Geoghegan 20:27

it's been a long time. Yeah. Totally. Oh, my gosh, I think. I think it was probably during my master's and yeah, 2019 where I had to, like, present. Yeah. And that was I remember being nervous about it. Because it's something I really cared about. I was like, This is what I'm gonna write my whole thesis on. Please approve it. For frontier professors like, yeah. And I've presented on the podcast if you count that I've presented as like on the webinar and seeing or giving like a lunch and learn. And I feel like that's so different. Being on a zoom screen and having a lot of control over. This is what they're seeing. It's this little square, there's for sure other challenges that come with that technical things and making sure that your background is kind of normal, as Carrie said, because your audio works, etc. There's the technical pieces of it. But there's a lot more you can control. And there's a lot less you can control. You don't know how you're going to feel you don't know what kind of feedback you'll get from the audience. What is the stage look like? That kind of thing. Man, professional presenters. They're crazy, Chris? Yeah, so much respect. Yeah. Do we think I mean, maybe we'll ask Mikey when he gets back from his sabbatical. But do we think ghost ranch could engage on a professional speaking? You know, is that something we would ever want to do for professional speaking gigs for Ghost ranch? He's doing one. Yeah. Yeah, he's, yeah, true. San Diego. We do our

Kelsey Jones 21:48

sponsorship events. And so yeah, I'm doing more keynote management. So perfect. So far, Mike, you've been our

Molly Geoghegan 21:54

one and only Hey, Mike, you do it? Yeah, I know. And we consider ourselves presentation experts. And it's really an awesome opportunity to truly like practice what we help people put into their presentations and presenting their own, you know, what was your favorite part about it today? And your least favorite, and then we can kind of call it we can close it out?

Asha Alaji-Sharif 22:14

Savor it. Like up today in general? Yeah. Or something

Molly Geoghegan 22:17

that I suppose your favorite of today in general meeting carry? And maybe something that was like unexpected and that you learned potentially, or if there's a piece of feedback that you resonated with,

Allie Wilson 22:27

I mean, my favorite thing is pretty simple. I just like, I mean, we never get through this, and listening to my co workers and seeing them present. And I thought it was like having conversations about it was kind of cool. I mean, we never get to do anything like that. So I just enjoyed the process of that in general. See,

Molly Geoghegan 22:43

some people are joining the live Ally's I'm waving them. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. That makes total sense. Yeah. I think one of my favorite parts was Yeah, seeing people's I've, I've heard everyone talk over zoom, my colleagues and stuff, but seeing people present in person brought such a fun element to Yeah, how they had the present work and themselves and working through the things we talk about all the time, like more transitions and build slides and all that stuff. So it's really cool. Yeah.

Kelsey Jones 23:11

That we can bring back to our clients when Yeah, we're building out their decks to we toto if they're going to be in a setting like this, where they're presenting in person, it's going to be a you know, it's our must better when we ducks what Yeah,

Molly Geoghegan 23:23

absolutely, yeah,

Asha Alaji-Sharif 23:24

I really enjoyed seeing like Ali and Kelsey is because that's a sign of ghost wrenching on and really get to see. So it's really cool seeing those are the types of things that clients see when they're trying to come on board. And it's just like, very insightful. Yeah,

Kelsey Jones 23:36

absolutely. We should probably do more of that

Allie Wilson 23:38

we really do kind of eat that tapped away to just like a couple of people. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,

Molly Geoghegan 23:42

very different presentations from like, what's coming from accounts versus presenting creative work versus what I talked about, which is a storytelling workshop that will hopefully put together eventually. So it's like, all different facets that do intersect with each other. And we got to make sure they don't get siloed, I guess, yeah, I liked the feedback of just that. Your nervousness is natural. And you can use that energy to your advantage. And I know, I've known this to be true, Bo, trying to lean into the pacing in the beginning so that you can like trust that you like take a breath, and you have the time for sure. I find myself with those beginning transitions of those first three slides being like, Oh, God, it wasn't like TED Talk perfect, or whatever, you know, and then you're kind of like in your head about it. And then once I'm in my flow, I'm like, that's fine. It was fine. Like it wasn't that big of a deal. But that beginning is so tough for me. And like the first few sentences in the first few transitions, which I find it hard on the podcast to have, like, how do we start an episode? And now we're the conversation like that kind of transition is hard. But once you're in it, I feel smoother, right? Then you're with the flow.

Kelsey Jones 24:45

Another thing Carrie brought up was really setting the stage for what you're going to talk about the beginning. But then at the end, we can't do that. Yeah. I felt like across the board, we can do better. It's just been to bring the whole thing together. Yeah. And that's it. already gave

25:00

us the feedback or like

Molly Geoghegan 25:01

everybody, and he's like, What are we here for, like, if you're going up on the stage, you need to be like, my name is Molly, we're going to talk about storytelling, like you set the scene, you know, and then bring that in at the end to be like, there's the value that this provided you with, right? Another piece of like, small feedback. Quick tip from Carrie, that I think came up a lot today was the use of quotes is so good. And like, especially from like cool, famous people that were like, just awesome, mind blowing quotes, but timely using them in a timely manner within your presentation. So not letting the quote just sit up there while you're talking about it. As soon as the quote is up there, you should read it to your audience or have them be like, I invite you to take a moment to have them read the quote. So that because we've talked about this, where you can't have text and talking to different things happening at the same time, because your audience is going to either stop listening to you and read the slide, or they're listening to you, they're missing the quote that you're about to like, click past. So give me an I was guilty of this too, where it's like, yeah, get to the quote, read it. And like, let them sink in to be like, This is what and this is why we're I brought this here. Like if this is from a quote from Steve Jobs or Maya Angelou, whoever it is, like let it sink in. Because you got to pick those big juicy ones. Yeah. All right. Well, I had a blast doing it you guys any final takeaways there like the brain and give birth? The live realization is is

Kelsey Jones 26:23

an energy exertion for sure. It was a great exercise. Yeah. Learning Session with Harry it was Yeah, I think knowledgeable and we can take it to zoom. Yeah, you can get more experience again, you know, in person to be present. Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan 26:39

I was gonna say like, definitely with Kerry, for men. I know he does in person and zoom workshops. But this is definitely something that I'd recommend for teams to do in person or is it over zoom, right? Where you learn how to present and kind of get some feedback. This was kind of like a trial and error. Yeah. Yeah, totally like a brief like sprint, if you will, to just learn how to like kind of put something together quickly and get feedback. And I thought that was really cool to get his expert opinion in person, like very special, so highly recommend. I definitely think we should do it again in person or Zoom can only go up from here. Starting at the bottom. Now we all do good. So fun. All right. Well, this has been the first ever live presentation thinking podcast. I think maybe like two people are watching and that's awesome. We're gonna talk more about live Instagram and take dogs further in the podcast and morons twist for sure. But thank you so much for joining you guys. Kelsey. I know your walkout song is I have the tiger but Ali and Asha Why don't you just share what your walkout song is? So we can play us out hear

Asha Alaji-Sharif 27:40

me every time

Molly Geoghegan 27:43

I think I'll share mine in the meantime which I think I'm going to do the Donna Summer bad girls I think it'd be a fun little like beep beep you know, they're like disco vibe. And I'd love that like that little outro are like the last minute and a half of the song to be the walk up song

Allie Wilson 28:04

so I didn't want to follow you and okay, I'm very consistently evil woman by yellow.

Molly Geoghegan 28:12

Oh, fun. Yeah, love that. Perfect.

Asha Alaji-Sharif 28:14

I guess I'll resort back to my previous one. It just hasn't really good intro beat but successful by Arne Grundy.

Molly Geoghegan 28:27

All right, this has been presentation thinking people we presented in person today from Ghost ranch story camp live. Thank you for joining. We'll see you next time. In the meantime, keep on pitching